[DRBD-user] DRBD packages for Proxmox 4.x

Digimer lists at alteeve.ca
Sat Nov 26 18:52:34 CET 2016

Note: "permalinks" may not be as permanent as we would like,
direct links of old sources may well be a few messages off.

As someone who has dedicated the last five years of her life to
developing open source software, let me play defence for Roland for a

You come up with an idea. You work your tail off to build it, make it
reliable and safe, document it, and see it mature. You spend a lot of
time trying to find the right balance between staying in business and
keeping everything free. This is always done through some flavour of
support and customization contracts.

Then someone with slicker marketing or lower cost overheads comes along
and uses your project to take away the customers you had hoped to
cultivate. Now your wondering how you will pay your bills while someone
else profits from your work without any investment of their own.

How would you feel? Honestly?

So you think, OK, I'll change the license to say "anyone who wants to
use it, go for it! It's all yours. However, you can't as a business sell
support based on my project anymore."

You would think that is a pretty fair compromise... All users have no
change at all - No split-level licensing or nagware. So to most
everyone, zero changes.

Then you have a few people start to complain. Loudly. They even start
taking the debate to other forums.

How long would you last before you got emotional?

I very much agree that maintaining calm and civility is important. I
even think that Roland's reply was emotional and not overly
professional. However, he, like you and I, are human.

Cut him some slack.


On 26/11/16 08:28 AM, Jan Schermer wrote:
> What a great way to communicate with your users.
> True, Linus sometimes does the same.
> But you are not Linus.
> So I'd advise you to think before you alienate (more) people.
> This is so very unprofessional...
> Btw jasminj actually defended you if you can't see that in his first
> post there[1]
> and he's not wrong about [2] either.
> I guess I'd better not elaborate.
> Get your act together and respect your users, please.
> Jan
> [1] https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/drbdmanage-license-change.30404/#post-152763
> [2] https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/drbdmanage-license-change.30404/#post-152979
>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 09:04, Roland Kammerer <roland.kammerer at linbit.com
>> <mailto:roland.kammerer at linbit.com>> wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 06:38:00AM +0100, Jasmin J. wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>> There is an ongoing discussion in the Proxmox support forum
>>> concerning the
>>> recent license change of drbdmange:
>> Yes, they are ongoing, no need to spread FUD here and now. Wait.
>> But hey, as I guess this is the same JasminJ from the Proxmox forum[1],
>> you can replace it in the meantime with "some perl scripts", right? Oh,
>> don't forget to manage a whole cluster of nodes, support ZFS and LVM,
>> and their various thin combinations and variants, provide snapshots and
>> resize of resources cluster wide, and don't forget about the inner
>> workings of DRBD (you already proved to be an expert in this area on
>> this ML), so make sure that if you combine thin and thick in the right
>> way that thin allocations don't end up thick. It's easy, just a few
>> lines of perl that replace the current 67647 lines of python, right?
>> I stop here, before I get too "friendly", but please, PLEASE, FFS don't
>> come up with some BS you obviously have no clue about.
>> Regards, rck
>> [1]
>> https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/drbdmanage-license-change.30404/#post-152979
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