[DRBD-user] Quick heads-up in case you see us disappearing from the list (was Re: Switch from MD to DRBD)

Kushnir, Michael (NIH/NLM/LHC) [C] michael.kushnir at nih.gov
Thu Mar 22 15:23:10 CET 2012

Note: "permalinks" may not be as permanent as we would like,
direct links of old sources may well be a few messages off.

I've been on this list for a long time as both my National Library of Medicine and private persona. Florian has helped me learn the basics of DRBD and high-performance storage, and he has helped me with numerous issues without ever asking for thanks or reward. 

I think misunderstandings happen. I think it would be a shame to let a misunderstanding lead to the loss of a subject-matter expert and helpful guide from this list. Egos can flare  easily, especially over email, but let's remember that this is a group for collaboration over open source software. The questions that people ask and the answers that experts offer lead to the improvement of the software and everyone's user experience. 

Best regards, 

Michael Kushnir

Lead Unix and VMware Systems Engineer
Communications Engineering Branch
Lister Hill National Center for Biomedical Information
National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health

Phone: 	301-435-3219
Email:		michael.kushnir at nih.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Smith [mailto:jsmith at argotec.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:23 AM
To: Florian Haas
Cc: drbd-user at lists.linbit.com
Subject: Re: [DRBD-user] Quick heads-up in case you see us disappearing from the list (was Re: Switch from MD to DRBD)

> Greetings everyone,
> just so you know: after this, an angry email was directed at me 
> personally from Linbit management, informing me that the user list was 
> "not a marketing platform," that this was "abuse" of the mailing list, 
> and threatening to block all email sent to the list from the 
> hastexo.com domain.
> To anyone who was offended by the humorous exchange between Arnold, 
> Jake and myself and who felt spammed, my sincere apologies. To 
> everyone who is having trouble discerning why saying "we recommend 
> people use DRBD Proxy" is good whereas asserting that you're providing 
> professional services around F/OSS technologies is bad -- I'm with 
> you; I'm not getting it either. I also don't know whether there's any 
> precedent for this action, but they own the list. It's their decision; 
> I respect other people's decisions.
> So I don't know whether I am (or anyone else is) still infringing 
> against their list policy (which I can't find anywhere), or whether 
> they're going to kick me and/or my colleagues from the list. But if 
> you suddenly stop hearing from us, that's probably why.
> Their threat was only about the drbd-user list, by the way. I guess 
> they also co-control the linux-ha{,-dev} mailing lists, but there have 
> been no blocking or removal threats about those.

Having been a part of the *issue* at hand I am truly sorry if I annoyed/angered/offended anyone on the list with my weak attempts at humor and amusement.

The only other thing I will say is I think a little market competition is one thing but market dominance by control/regulation is a whole other.
Did we forget our foundations are built from community?

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