[DRBD-user] Real live risk of data loss w/o flush

Sebastian Hetze s.hetze at linux-ag.com
Mon Aug 9 11:08:22 CEST 2010

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Hi *,

I would like to get more info about the real live risk of data loss
with DRBD using no-disk-barrier and no-disk-flushes on RAID
controllers without BBU.

If I understand things correctly, DRBD adds barriers into the data
stream from primary to secondary (at least) on each flush of the
underlying primary device.  Without barrier support it flushes the
secondary on each flush of the primary.  This happens to make shure,
subsequent operations that rely on the data to be commited on disk
find the same state on the secondary in case of a failover.

If I use a RAID controller with BBU, that takes care for all data that
has reached the controller cache to survive (some) crashes or power

But what are the scenarios where I really suffer data loss without
BBU?  And is my risk of data loss hihger with DRBD than it would be

The primary use case for DRBD as I see it is failure of one node in
the cluster that leads to a failover to the secondary. In this case we
have one survivor and this survivor has plenty of time to flush all
data from the cache buffer to its disk before the failover proceeds.
And reads would give me the cached data meanwhile.
The benefit I get from the BBU in this situation is this flush time.
After that time, the data on disk is exactly the same, so there is no
additional protection against data corruption that might arise from
faulty data sent by the primary during the crash. As soon as this data
is in secondary cache it will be written to disk sooner or later.

If this is correct so far, the remaining risk is simultanious
(power-)failure of both nodes. If this happens, there are several
causes of trouble.  I suffer real service downtime although I have
spent so much money for high availability. I might get asked why I did
not spend the little extra money on independent UPS for both nodes.
Data on the secondary might have been written out of order leading to
an inconsistent state. On the primary, without BBU an queued flush
might have succeeded or not, but the write order is correct.

I will likely suffer data loss in this scenario, but there is no
additional risk by using DRBD. On boot after (power-)recovery the
primary needs a file system check to cleanup possible damage but this is
exactly the same risk as in the standalone case.  Even with BBU (on the
primary) in this scenario I would rely on the primary data more than on
the secondary. So the only case where I would really get extra
reliablity from barriers and in order flushes on the secondary would be
if only my secondary has a BBU and the primary does not.

What is your opinion and possibly your experience with using
no-disk-barrier and no-disk-flushes without BBU RAID?  The reason for
me asking is the huge latency I suffer using flushes in my setup
where I run several virtual KVM instances in DRBD containers without
BBU RAID. These virtual systems frequently flush disks and these
operations occasionally queue up to a substantial epoch of 100 or even

Best regards,


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